“Surely You Can’t Be Serious”



Yes, I am serious.  And don’t call me Shirley.



The Story of Stackfoot Sitting

I first saw this position almost exactly a year ago at some sort of formal shooter get together.  Although most of my training has been self-training, I consider myself to be trained in positional shooting.  I also tend to be a snob about wanting to use the ‘best’ techniques.  Using my training and experience as a reference, my first impression of what I saw when a shooter used this technique led me to think to myself, “What a complete idiot!  What moron came up with that abomination?”

I continued to maintain that this technique was useful for only the stupid and those that were too out of shape to loop up in an orthodox sitting position.  I also kept seeing it, and couldn’t believe that this was actually anything more than some dude’s lame attempt at cheating reality into hitting a 50” target at 50 yards.  I figured I could put this lame dog down with my own test on the source of rifle information that every rifle shooter goes to first for the final word.  NO, I DON’T MEAN GUN TALK!!!  I’m talking about this blog.  Jerk.

The Taste of Crow

I shot this position as I was doing my momentous series of tests of shooting positions that I published last month (yes, I snuck in a ‘stealth’ position in the tests that you didn’t know about- kind of like what NASA actually does [mining cotton candy from the nose of the face on Mars] while they pretend simply to go to the ISS over and over on Russian rockets ).  I shot it on the same day as I did cross ankle sitting and squatting.  That was the first time I had ever even attempted getting into this position, and it was my live fire, for the record attempt.  I probably didn’t want to be defiled by having to actually try practicing some low class, non-competition certified technique.  Boy was that a stupid attitude to have.

I was astounded at the performance of what I have named “Stackfoot Sitting”.  It simply kicked the crap out of both cross ankle and open leg sitting, both in terms of precision and all measures of time- first shot, split times, and total time.


I don’t really have any sage advice on how to fine tune this thing.  I instinctively put my support side foot on top, and that does seem to work best.  Not knowing what to do with my support hand, I used it to help control and stabilize the rifle.  That works fine.  I need to have shoes on to get a horizontal line of sight to a target.  To adjust my elevation down I turn my feet.  There’s no adjusting up unless you can find a mound or a bag to set your feet on.  I think that would be pushing the boundaries of practicality.


Slow Fire:


Time Stress:

Time Stress

Time Stress Exerted:

Time Stress Exerted

Here is how the position compared to cross ankle sitting and open leg sitting in my statistical analysis for my 86% and 99% circles.

Maximum Distance Sitting Positions Compared

Maximum Distance 99  Sitting Positions Compared

The time from the start signal for the time stress and time stress exerted groups until my first shot, which is the time it took me, from a standing position about a foot away from my rifle, to load my magazines, load the rifle, and assume a firing position, was 47.88 and 52.81 seconds respectively, averaging 63.02 seconds.  The average of all positions, for comparison, was 50.35.

The average split time for this position, excluding reloads, was 4.83 seconds (low 2.77 , high 9.17).  The average time of all the positions was 6.53.  The fastest of all positions was kneeling at 4.86.

The total times of each timed portion of the test were 117.41 and 112.47, averaging 114.99.  The average time of all the positions tested was 134.48 seconds.


This position is faster than the orthodox sitting positions because it doesn’t require the use of a sling, and it is extremely forgiving with regard to natural point of aim.  Just plop down, use the feet to adjust elevation, and shoot.

Follow up shots also come very fast.  I used my support hand to pull the rifle into my shoulder from just in front of the magazine, so it stayed on target pretty well.  This position was about 3/100 of a second slower than the position with the average fastest split times of all, which was kneeling.  My fastest split time with the position was 2.77 seconds with a bolt action rifle, which was the fastest split of the eleven positions I tested.

Fastest Split Time

This position is the real deal.  I believe that with good trigger control and zero practice in the position you’ll be cleaning stage 2 of the AQT in no time.  Now talk amongst yourselves.  I’ll be at the range.

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16 thoughts on ““Surely You Can’t Be Serious”

  1. Fascinating. I assume both feet are twisted to the limit of their motion and relaxed, so nothing moves when the rifle weight settles down on them. The old “shooting against your ligaments” bit?

    Probably not too useful for elevation angles where the rifle barrel has to differ much from the plane of the ground?

    • They were twisted for elevation adjustment, and not particularly relaxed. There’s nothing much deliberate, and really nothing that should make for a good position. But it works, which is odd, and has had the effect of changing my thoughts a bit.

      The real limit is on upward elevation. I could see taking a foot out to go lower.

  2. To just look at the pictures, I can see why you were skeptical at first. Even knowing it was a serious post, I couldn’t help but think, “No way.” I grabbed a roll of Christmas wrap (too lazy to pull out one of my guns) and tried it out, and it does feel really solid.

    As an aside, [i]stackfoot sitting[/i] is not a bad name. I would be inclined to have the word jackass (à la Jeff Cooper) in there somewhere. But that is just one man’s opinion. What do you think, Shirley?

    All levity aside, I can’t wait to get out and try this in the wild! Thanks for sharing.

    • A roll of wrapping paper? There might be a market there…

      The word ‘jackass’ has been corrupted. All I can think of is that there would have to be an overturned porta potty involved somehow.

      Good luck!

  3. I first saw that position on some message board a couple years back. My initial reaction was, “cool!”

    I tinkered with it a bit, but never felt satisfied (probably more to my own lack of skill than anything). Then I saw a bunch of guys ripping for being stupid, and I followed that crowd. I had totally forgotten about it until this post. From the looks of it, I imagine you need a fairly long rifle/stock to make it work. A shorter AR-15 isn’t going to give you anywhere to put your feet.

    • Or, you can just shoot your toes off.
      One of these days I’ll have to try it. But, I have had so much success with open-leg sitting that the only thing that beats it for me is prone.

      Sometimes I think people invent stuff like this because no one showed them the right way to do the established stuff. But, then sometimes someone comes up with something unique that way.

  4. I don’t know. I’ve seen a lot of novel ideas that didn’t work, but some do. I’ll have to give this one a go after hunting season is over. Maybe the trick with carbines is to take your support side boot off and rest the forend between a couple of toes. It does look pretty uncomfortable though. But hey, if it works…

  5. I tried this one out last evening while I was waiting for the venison to show up. It’s pretty challenging with the Marlin carbine. I was, however, impressed by the steadiness of it. Assuming a relatively relaxed NPOA gave me a sight picture out about 5 yards in the dirt. I played with it for a little bit, but couldn’t get enough elevation to get on the usual firing zone on the hill. I think I’ll file this as a potential tool in the tool box for those unusual circumstances we all sometimes, though rarely, encounter. The venison didn’t cooperate either, choosing to remain silhouetted at the very top of the south hill. Oh, well…

  6. I tried this on the weekend and found it quite stable. Being someone who isn’t a very good positional shooter yet, I found Stackfoot quick to get into and more stable than kneeling or other seated positions.

  7. Looks like a great position. Did you find yourself creeping up the stock too much? Also stupid question but what pants are those? Seem great for shooting wet/muddy competitions.

    • Thanks. I didn’t really have any issues or problems. I didn’t really try it out at all before I shot the target.

      The pants are leather. I got them at the estate of a recently deceased Elvis impersonator. I’m going to need to gain some weight before they fit right. Think of a 70s Elvis squeezed into the clothes of the 60s Elvis. Actually they are North Face rain gear pants, but the other story sounds better.

  8. “if it looks stupid, but it works, it’s not stupid.”

    Those who taught me highpower lo these many moons ago would probably have a stroke, but I want to see how it works.

    I will give that a try, Rifleslinger. Will report back with results.

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  10. Looks like the position illustrated for the cover a book entitled:

    Rifleman Dodd; Kindle Edition

    Have only read the sample but seems like it will be an interesting read and may put some light on the technique in question. Thanks for your post, I’ll be trying out the position at my next range visit.

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